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Bibliographies in Wikipedia

Are there rules on how a bibliography section should look in Wikipedia? I have recently edited Edward Tufte and Jan Tschichold, and I was not sure how I should treat the bibliography. Especially, since Tschichold was German and wrote in German, should I list the original German titles in the english Wikipedia and then an english translation, or the other way around, or something else entirely? Being German myself, I'm also not too familiar with the (american) english bibliography style, so a few examples would be nice. Colin Marquardt

Yep. Check out Wikipedia:Biography standards. --mav

Cool, thanks. Colin Marquardt

"Biography" is much more generalized than "bibliography". I'm assuming you want details for the latter (wow, I just noticed how old these comments are). Try these: Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(lists_of_works) and Wikipedia:WikiProject_Biography#Structure (particularly the template on this page). I've actually made a comment on the Manual of Style Talk page since Wikipedia's bibliographical standards are very... non-standard! --J. J. 20:10, 2005 August 24 (UTC)

Bibliography?

Here in Australia, I've always been taught a Bibliography is a list of resources used to create a piece of work (i.e. essay, report etc.). Somewhat similar to Reference List, but containing all texts used, including those not necessarily quoted, or referred to in the main text. , some dictionaries, including Wiktionary, include the "study of books" as a secondary definition. The Bibliographical Society of America has probably had debates about this, too (the link from this main article page is devoted to the definition of bibliography). --J. J. 19:52, 2005 August 24 (UTC)

Shouldn't there then be a page about that Bibliography ('Reference List') then? There are pages on Footnotes, Endnotes, and Style guides, but there not exactly the same thing. - Matthew238 07:54, 21 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Speaking as a lifelong librarian, as well as a private book collector, I think this article confuses "bibliography" in its most common usage -- the standardized citing of sources in writing, academic and otherwise -- with "bibliology," which is the study of books as artifacts. There actually is an article under bibliology, but it's a tiny stub, and it's catagorized as a "science" article for some reason that escapes me. --Michael K. Smith 19:14, 8 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that 'reference list' is the most widespread and familiar meaning of "bibliography". However, working as a rare books librarian in the UK, for me it has the strong secondary meaning of 'descriptive and historical studies of books'; see the link 'Bibliography Defined' at the end of the article. Updates to the article reflect this confusion. Perhaps a separate disambiguated page would help, but only if the two strands can successfully be unwoven. I am not keen on "bibliology", which appears to be used in French ("bibliologie") to mean 'scientific' bibliography but in English principally with reference to the Bible. Omassey 08:13, 9 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

referencenter.com

I removed the link to Internet Information Reference Center as it pointed to an empty spam site. (ps how do you add a name/date reference? I forget.)

External links

The external links I just deleted would be better-placed in the article on reference management software. Rlitwin 15:50, 20 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Image?

Could someone explain to me the relevance of the picture of a section of bookshelves at a library in Graz? A row of books is not in any sense a "bibliography". . . . --Michael K. Smith 13:46, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. A row of books is not a bibliography, but in this case each one of the books depicted is a bibliography. Omassey 14:49, 21 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Very non-obvious. How do you know what those books are? It could be a collection of cookbooks or a collection of pornography for all the viewer can tell. (And why Graz, for that matter? Why not the Library of Congress or the UK National Library?) We need a close-up shot of a page of bibliographical citation from a book or journal. I could include such a pic from one of my own books -- if I could figure out how to get ANYTHING uploaded to the image management thingy! --Michael K. Smith 19:09, 8 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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I recently removed a line of text "BLARGH BLARGH GRUFF PUPPY RAWR RAWR RAWR " from the middle of a sentence. I noticed in the history someone had replaced the entire page with the word "poop" at some point also. What makes this poor innocent page on a matter of literacy such a prime target? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aerandul (talk • contribs) 14:38, 25 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's Google's first hit for 'bibliography'. I infer that students, tired from struggling to the end of a paper and needing to work out what to write in a bibliography, find this page and vandalise it when it doesn't tell them in the first paragraph how to make a citation list. Omassey 16:47, 29 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Disambiguation

I agree. There seems to be some confusion here concerning bibliography. This article addresses the academic study of bibliography, not a Works Cited list. I added an "other uses" directing people wishing to find out about citation. Hopefully that will help ease further confusion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Savingedmund (talk • contribs) 20:10, 1 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

1911 Encyclopaedia Britannica article

EB1911 has a long article about bibliography, in the sense of the study of books as physical objects. It is somewhat obsessive, and seems to focus first on spotting forgeries, and then goes into detail about classifying old books by their method of binding. It also defers to several related articles. I assume that the craft of the study of books has matured in the last 100 years, and I don't know enough about it to judge whether it would be appropriate to insert any of the material into this article. For now the link to wikisource will do, probably. David Brooks (talk) 01:48, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

German version

Up until the edit I just made, the link to the German version of this page pointed to the page on "Buchwissenschaft" or roughly "the analytical study of books", which is the second definition for bibliography on this page. The German page "Buchwissenschaft" only very briefly mentions that a bibliography can be a "reference list", which, however, is the primary focus of this article. I changed the link to point to the German page "Bibliografie" - this way, both articles are primarily about bibliographies in the sense of reference lists, and both pages mention analytical bibliographies. Yes, I probably should have posted here before making the edit, sorry. If anyone strongly disagrees, revert the edit, but I do hope the link is better this way. 213.61.58.54 (talk) 12:17, 23 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Makes perfect sense. Much thanks :) -- Quiddity (talk) 18:07, 23 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Personal Bibliography

Shouldn't there be a Section to describe the difference between a Personal Bibliography (listing all the texts of (subjective personal bibl.) and about (objective personal bibl.) an author) and a Bibliography of Secondary Literature (listing all the texts about an author)? --Kommerz (talk) 09:48, 15 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]